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The Joy of Revisions

Many thanks to Samantha and all the other Love Is An Exploding Cigar regulars for inviting me to come and blog with you today.

When Sam asked me to do this back in February, I'd just done a week-long online discussion on eharlequin about "building fictional worlds." I wasn't sure then what I was going to talk about. But as I've written 59 books in the past 23 years, it turns out that I haven't created "worlds" -- I've created a universe!

It's my own little alternative version of reality that bridges several different Harlequin and Silhouette lines in which all sorts of McAllister characters -- from cowboys to models to sandcastle builders to baseball players to muralists to CPAs -- coexist and try not to step on each others' toes while I'm trying to get them to their various happily ever afters.

And just when I think I've done it, along come revisions!

That's what I'm working on now -- and while it's always nice to have an editor buy a book and say, "No revisions needed," I'm almost (almost being the operative word) happier when she has a few things she'd like me to do because I get another shot at making it a better book.

So I thought talking about revisions might be an interesting way to spend our blog together.

Readers (and for years, of course, I was one) think that books just get written. You sit down and the story flows out of the end of your fingers through the keys and onto the screen. Um, no. Well, maybe every once in a while. But generally it doesn't happen that way.

Writers know this. They know that what makes sense in a synopsis, may not make sense when you actually go to write it down. It sounds like it should work, but however many times you try it, your story flounders almost lifelessly. You need to write it -- and then rewrite it -- and maybe rewrite it again twenty more times -- until it's right. Or as right as you can make it at the time.

When I send in a book, I send it in as right as I can make it at the time. Usually, because I'm almost always finishing at the last minute, it could be "righter" if I could put it away for a week or two and take it out and look at it again. Most times, though, I don't have that luxury.

So getting back a book for revisions allows me that space and that second look. It also gives me some editorial feedback. While I don't want commentary while I'm writing (I'm not a critique group sort of writer), I am always glad to have it once the whole story is on paper.

The editor's view gives me a measuring stick of how close I've come to making her see and feel the story I wanted to write. Sometimes I'm spot on. Sometimes I don't hit the mark.

But by this time I know what the story is -- I've made it to the end once, after all. And so revisions give me a chance to look at the whole thing all over again, to re-vision it, to see it again and see where I can do it better, shape it up, sharpen it up.

amThat's what I'm doing right now. I have a week to do it in. What I'm doing is basically cutting 15,000 words and adding 10,000 -- cutting the 15K that don't matter, finding the 10K that do and putting them in, using them to refine and revise and, ultimately (I hope) capture the vision of the story that I had in the first place.

That's why I like revisions -- they are the second chance we don't ordinarily get in real life to get things right in our fictional ones.

And I hope that I do it well enough that readers coming to my book will not stumble into the cracks between drafts. It should be a seamless whole. It should look exactly as if the story flowed effortlessly from my fingers to the keys to the screen.

Only you and I will know the real truth. You won't tell, will you?

What about you? If you're a writer, what do you think about revision letters and phone calls? Do you like critique groups to help you sort things out along the way or are you, like me, more of a go-it-alone writer most of the time? And if you're a reader, do you notice things that make you wonder if you're reading a patchwork quilt or a seamless story? Does it bug you or do you find the story so compelling that you really overlook the discrepancies?

I'm going to give away two prizes of TWO BOOKS apiece -- my two most recent books from Harlequin Presents, THE ANTONIDES MARRIAGE DEAL and THE SANTORINI BRIDE (which are linked books and a small part of my very own slightly off-beat universe).

So if you are a registered user and you post here, you will be entered in the drawing. And if, by chance, you win and have already read them, I'm pretty sure I can find a couple of my backlist titles you won't have read to send instead.

Keep an eye out for THE BOSS'S WIFE FOR A WEEK coming in late September. It will take up with Spence and Sadie's story -- where THE SANTORINI BRIDE leaves off.

Thanks, everyone, for the opportunity to visit! Come see me sometime at my blog!

Cheers,
Anne

Hi Anne

Welcome and thank you for taking the time to blog with us. I have read several of your books in the past and, I can honestly say that you are a very good writer. I don't know how many revisions you had to do for these books but, I can say that as a reader, I enjoyed them very much. The only thing I dislike about some books is when I'm reading a story and there are errors in grammar or misspelled words. Since I read so much, I like the story to flow and, errors like these cause me to pause in my reading of the story. Sometimes I wonder if the publishers have the story proofread before they publish it. Harlequin is usually pretty good about printing a book without any errors but, sometimes even Harlequin lets one slip by. I look foward to reading your new books and I'm glad you gave us a heads up on them. Have a great weekend. Mads:)

Hi Mads I wrote you a reply

Hi Mads I wrote you a reply early today, but then my internet connection went down and I lost the whole thing. Argh. I totally agree -- typos and other proofreading sorts of erros can really stop a story because they jerk you right out of the events going on and make you think about grammar or spelling. Not a good thing. Generally, yes, Harlequin/Silhouette do have an extensive proof-reading regimen. After I send in my final revisions, my editor does a line edit and catches any typos, agreement errors, and whatnot that she can find. Then it goes to a free-lance copy editor whose job is to nitpick it to death. I've been fortunate to work with the same copyeditor for over 15 years, so we know each other pretty well now. She is wonderfully detail oriented and does a terrific job. Once she's finished it gets typeset and then both my editor and I go over it again before it's finally ready to print. So there shouldn't be any typos. Of course, occasionally there are. And twice I've had things changed -- for the worse -- so far after typesetting that the mind boggles. In a Harlequin American I wrote quite a while back, MARRY SUNSHINE (which, by the way, had one of my favorite heroes, Austin Cavanaugh, who built sand castles for a living!) there was a scene in which he was telling the heroine he'd always loved her. And he reminded her of what he'd carved in a tree when they were ten -- Austin + Clea = TURE LOVE. And then he said, "Only one thing's changed -- now I spell better." Only, sadly, someone in the zeal of fixing everything, changed the spelling of TURE to the correct TRUE, and thus rendered his comment meaningless! Most recently, in THE ANTONIDES MARRIAGE DEAL, in the very last line of the book, Tallie says something about "three stair-step sons." Only someone AFTER the typesetting decided to fix it to "three stair stepsons." Uh, no. Not quite the same thing. In fact I'm still trying to figure out what a "stair stepson" might be! But those two screw-ups in 58 books published so far isn't a bad average. Hope you have a great weekend, too! Cheers, Anne

Hi Anne :)

Let me say first... 59 books. Wow.

Second, what a comfort to know someone with that awesome range of experience still has revisions. ;)

I've had a few books with no revisions, and I will say, it's a relief -- I don't mind, and usually small things are changed in line edits, galleys, etc. However, with my upcoming Christmas book, I changed my process to using a "Fast Draft" technique, because I felt weighed down in my normal, relatively slower process of editing as I go, and so I did the fast draft. I did edit it, but not heavily when I sent it to the editor, mostly because by the end of it, I thought it was okay. It was, mostly, it worked. I did get a "fast draft" that had all the needed parts and my ed liked the story, and she liked most of it, but it needed major overhaul on some aspects, and so I did a week and half of revising major elements. I didn't like that so much, and I think my editor was also a little stymied as to why this book needed so much more work than any of my previous ones did -- frankly, I didn't like her having to notice that, you know?

I think it all worked in the end (still waiting to hear from her on that score) but all in all I wouldn't do it again. I didn't like having the major revisions -- it wasn't the work so much as I didn't like the feeling of having sent in a story that was that faulty. To be fair, maybe I couldn't have hit many of the notes that she helped me hit through her comments, and for that I am ALWAYS grateful, since except for hit and miss questions I ask friends, I also don't work with crit partners or groups. My editor is my crit partner. ;) But you know I am back to my normal process, which sometimes leads to light revisions, a scene or a paragraph here and there, but nothing as huge as I did in the Fast Draft (I think with something like Fast Draft you have to work with a solid crit partner or group, so you can finish fast enough AND get reliable feedback so you can put things to rights before it goes to an ed, since a first draft is NEVER going to be where it needs to be).

I guess the lesson is that it's good to try new things, but sticking with what comes naturally is best.

Sam

Fast Drafts

Hi Sam Thanks for the invitation to blog! It's a nice break from revisions. I have never been successful at doing anything like a "fast draft" -- well, except once and that was the book that wrote itself. We shall, unfortunately, not see its like again. But I do appreciate what you said about not wanting to turn in something less than your best draft. I feel the same way. But I've discovered that sometimes what I see at the end of writing is absolutely great -- and sometimes it's not, but I don't have the distance to tell the difference yet. As long as it's the best I can do at the moment, I'm fine. But yes, then like you I put my faith in my editor's comments. She's a very smart woman! Cheers, Anne

on the distance issue

yes -- my editor mentioned the "getting distance" thing, but unfortunately, I think I will never fast draft again, so it's kind of moot since in my normal process I usually finish a book about a week or so before deadline, and that's just not enough time to get distance. I'd probably need at least a month to really put it out of my mind, and then go back to it fresh, and even then I'm not convinced my brain wouldn't fill in the gaps for me. I think editors are there for a reason, and we need them. :)

I'm also an editor in a different venue -- I do freelance magazine editing, and I can tell you from that side, that my writers are very focused on different things, and even when they try to do the editing work (bless 'em) it never really happens -- I still have to fix a lot. I'm convinced it's because writing and editing are two completely different mindsets -- to write effectively, you have to be completely immersed, and to edit effectively, you have to have that distance, and looking for objective criteria that the writer hit or not.

While we can edit our own work to a degree, I don't think these mindsets mix very well, so I agree with you there....

Sam

Distance

Hi Sam Yes, I have copyedited, too, and I know it takes an entirely different mindset and approach to a book or article. I am fortunate to have always had good editors. Some were excellent at analysis and helping to see what's missing. One in particular was fantastic as saying what needed to be cut. And she was always right -- and I never ever missed those things after they were gone. I also think it's a lot easier to see the problems in someone else's work. I do that for a friend occasionally and she does it for me -- but we're not really "critique partners." We don't share whole books or even whole chapters, often. Just "does this work?" That seems to be enough. Fresh eyes always help. I did ask a friend last night, though, to read my old chapter two and tell me only what was essential in the chapter. It turned out there wasn't much. It was all essential EVENTUALLY -- but not there. And that was good to know. Cheers, Anne

Great topic!

I've been reading your books for years, Anne, and you do hit the mark! I like phone calls and revision letters. I find out all the things I did right. I find out where the story didn't quite make the leap from what's in my head to what's on the page, where it needs work. And I get to hear it from my editor so I can fix it before I hear it from readers. *g* I have never written a perfect book yet, although I keep trying. There's always something that can make it better, and sometimes you can't see it yourself. You need that outside perspective.

The Perfect Book

Hi Charlene Thanks for saying that I hit the mark! I'm so glad to hear that. It's a struggle often, because the book never quite makes it to the level of the story in my head. And knowing that I didn't get it across to my editor the first time around is sometimes disheartening, but it does mean I get a second chance. It also helps, frankly, to have an editor who is NOT on your immediate wave length, one who automatically loves anything you write because YOU wrote it and she loves your voice and your stuff. It's much better to have an editor who thinks you do good books but she can help you make them better. One of my editors whom I worked very well with for a lot of years was like that. We didn't always agree, but by the time the book came out it was a better book for having pleased both of us. Was it perfect even then? Nope. But it was definitely an improvement and benefited, as you say, from that outside perspective. Cheers, Anne

Hello, Anne :)

Great topic to blog about :) When I'm reading, I usually try to lose myself in the story and overlook discrepancies. Now, there was a story I read once that in the end it seemed rushed... like the author ran out of time and just tried to tie up all the loose ends. That was a bit annoying and made me think about how I thought it should have ended, lol. ~Ali http://simplyali.blogspot.com

Rushed endings

Hi Ali Thanks for your comments! I know exactly how it feels to have a 'rushed ending.' I had one with this book. Not because it was particularly 'rushed' but because I was writing a 50-56K book and when I hit 53K I still had 3 chapters worth of material left! Yikes! So now I have gone back, with my editor's help, to look at the first five chapters to see what I can cut there (lots, it turns out!) and then I can rework the end so that it doesn't feel quite so compressed and 'rushed.' I hope I manage it! Cheers, Anne

I'm sure you'll manage it

I'm sure you'll manage it perfectly, Anne :) I've read some of your Harlequin stories, like your story in the Marry Me anthology, Blood Brothers, and Nathan's Child as well as others, and loved them... okay, I bought Nathan's Child mainly because my bf name is Nathan, lol :)) ~Ali http://simplyali.blogspot.com

Reasons to buy books

Ali, I can't think of a better reason to buy a book! But you could do us authors a favor and change boyfriends (and thus buy more books) periodically. Or you could buy books because you thought you'd like to name a kid that. I started writing books because I wanted a son named Brendan and after four -- and my husband no nearer to agreeing -- I figured it was smarter to write a book and name a hero Brendan. But it actually took me four books to do that, too! Glad you loved my books, too! And thanks for saying so. cheers, Anne

Hi Anne

I don't really concentrate on small discrepancies if I'm reading a book that I'm enjoying. The problem comes when large changes occur that bring me out of the story. If the characters start doing things that don't make sense for them as they have been portrayed then I will not enjoy the story as much.

Things that don't make sense

Hi Maureen, I think you're right on about the large changes issue. It comes down to motivation, really. And that is something you always have to take into account whenever you do revisions. If you change something in chapter one, it's going to have a ripple effect all the way through the book. There is really no such thing as "cut and paste" when it comes to seamless revising. You need to go back through and make all the requisite changes that would naturally occur if something had actually happened in real life -- and those changes can be significant over time. If characters start doing things that don't make sense, then the writer has lost track of the motivational arc that takes the characters from one place to the next, emotionally as well as physically in the story. It's the emotional arc that absolutely has to have a continuous feel to it. Otherwise as a reader you feel jerked around. Very good point! Thanks! cheers, Anne

intersting, very interesting

Anne, To start with Thank you for 'guesting' today. It was a real treat to read your blog. I never realized before what work went into a book, until the last few months. Wow! You ladies (and gentlemen) sure do slave and slave over a hot keyboard. As a reader, when the story does not flow--it is a pet peeve, also like someone else stated--typos or language errors--drives me nuts. However, I know that would be one of my biggest achilles heels if I were in your line of work. ;) But, my biggest pet peeve as a reader is....(drum roll please) the cover not matching the heroine and hero. I would rather just have cover art in that case. Hello a dark haired man and blond lady in a book that calls for the opposite or even red-heads. Okay, okay different subject. I'll jump off of that band wagon, if you get the hunky firemen to catch me. >;) Thanks again for the great subject. Have a super weekend. Debbie

Cover art

Oh, yes, Debbie! I know the frustration. I've had some lovely covers where the hero and heroine looked exactly as I'd pictured them -- a couple in fact where I sent in a photo of a hero and asked for him as the model -- and the artist got him for the cover and told him I'd asked for him and he said, "I'd like to meet that woman!" And in the case of one -- he did. It's been an interesting friendship for a lot of years now. But other covers have been totally weird, and you have to ask yourself what on earth the art department or marketing (more likely) was thinking. They generally have a reason for doing what they do. It's just sometime hard to guess what it is. In my book, THE INCONVENIENT BRIDE, most of which was set in New York City, I got a "From Here to Eternity" cover on a beach (they went to the Bahamas for one chapter) and apparently for good measure, they threw in an alp in the background. It's sort of Bali Hai looking. Lovely beautiful cover. Doesn't quite fit the book. Conversely, on my upcoming THE BOSS'S WIFE FOR A WEEK, (Presents, October) most of which takes place in on one of the remote Fiji islands, I have a couple in business clothes in a clinch on a sofa in New York City -- you can see the Chrysler building in the background. They were, admittedly, in New York for a couple of chapters. But they were never on a sofa, much less in a clinch. Ah, well. I love the book, so forget the cover and just read it (the people are reasonably close; it's the setting that makes me blink). In fact, it would be useful to just switch the covers on the two books! cheers, Anne ps: hope the firemen catch you!

59 books whew!

Congrats on creating a universe, thats why I'm glad your the writer and I'm the reader!

Writing a universe

Hi, Sometimes I wish I was just reading them, too. But there are fun bits to writing and I do enjoy it -- just not all the time every day. But it's nice when a plan -- or story -- comes together! And meshing them into a single universe is handy, too. Gives me lots of minor characters whenever I need them. cheers, Anne

Those revisions

Anne, posting late as I just discovered you were here. I have to say I haven't reached your level of maturity, to look forward to revisions (G)! However, I wanted to assure you that no one would ever realise there are cracks between your drafts! They always read as a seamless whole. And I don't even want to consider how much work goes into achieving that (though I'm learning!). Annie

Versions and re-versions

Hi Annie Good to see you here! Thanks for stopping by. Maybe your books don't need the amount of revising I feel some of mine do. It really depends on the book. Some are very easy to get through -- all of it seems to fall into place. And others defy me every step of the way. Some, like this one (called Flynn and Sara after its main characters, though I have no doubt marketing and editorial will find some other title for it) has been tricky. It was a spin-off of my single title, THE GREAT MONTANA COWBOY AUCTION, and six years has passed. So I needed to figure out how much the characters had changed in six years -- and what had happened in the meantime and the impact it had on who they were. And then I had to get it into story form (and not focus on it, just use it as a springboard). But yes, I generally do like revisions, though I'd have liked another week for these, but I'm leaving for a week after next weekend, and the book has to be in copyediting that day, too. Hence - long hours this week and next. cheers, Anne

Hi Anne

Hi Anne, Thanks for blogging here today. I'm pretty sure you're well aware of how much I love your writing . . . seeing how whenever the question comes up on the loops about a favorite book and author, I immediately toss out A Cowboy's Secret by Anne McAllister. You write the best cowboys! And your stories definitely seem to flow effortlessly. Weighing in on catching errors, I am guilty of catching typos. I've worked as a secretary for over 25 years and it's second nature to me. The worst mistake I ever caught while reading, though, was when the hero was referred to by a different name at one point in the book. Now THAT pulled me out of the story.

A different name??? Yikes!

Hi Cheryl, All I can say is, I hope that book with the hero who had the different name wasn't one of mine! I don't think I've ever renamed a hero. I could see it happening if a writer had done that and somehow missed a "search and replace." But my heroes are too much wrapped up in their name to get shifted to another name. It would jusst completely change the person for me. I'm so glad you enjoyed A COWBOY'S SECRET. That was one of the more fun books I wrote. J.D. was an interesting guy -- and I had never written a lawyer before, so Lydia was a real challenge. I had to call one of my husband's cousins and pick her brain about how lawyers thought, because they sure don't think the same way I do! Maybe you should try to get a job as a copyeditor, Cheryl. Someone with all those years experience would be a great person to have checking details! So glad to visit with you here today. This has been so much fun -- even more fun than revisions! cheers, Anne

Hi Anne

If its a small discrepancy I have no problem with it. But sometimes when its something big, your like WHAT?? I hate to be pulled out of the story because of it. I've enjoyed several of your books.

Getting pulled out of the story

Hi Stacy, I know what you mean. If something happens that just makes me go, "Huh?" then I lose all sense of "suspension of disbelief" and I'm aware that the story is being "made up" and I don't enjoy it as much. It takes a while for the author to entice me back into the story again. I'm so glad you've enjoyed some of my books. Thanks for saying so! And thanks for stopping by and commenting! Cheers, Anne

Hi Anne

Wow 59 books! That's such an accomplishment :) I'm unpubbed but I love my critique partners for going over my work and pointing out the fuzzy areas, the ones I rushed through on my 1st or 2nd draft and keep neglecting and the spots that are just filler that I needed the first go through to get to know the characters more.

Drafts

Hi Lissy Everyone who is a published author was unpublished once. It's not an easy task to get through a whole book, as you know. And if you've done a draft and then another draft and maybe even another, then you are really aware of how much work goes into it. I totally agree about the spots that are "Filler" and need to be got through so you can learn what you're really writing about and what your story is unfolding and who these people are who have invited you to join them in their tale. I just need to write a lot of stuff to find out who they are and what they really want. And there is no way to get it all right and perfect the first time. Writing a book is like getting to know people. You don't know everything about someone the first time you meet them. You have to spend time with them, do things with them, share experiences, and then you come to know who they are and how they might react. It would be nice if characters sort of sent out emails ahead of time telling authors what they could expect when they sat down to write. But I don't know of any who have. The closest I've come is a couple of the heroes -- Theo in THE SANTORINI BRIDE and Spence in my upcoming THE BOSS'S WIFE FOR A WEEK -- have turned up on my blog and taken over. So did Sadie, Spence's heroine. That was kind of fun -- seeing them outside the context of their book. But I've discovered that if you give a hero a blog he will simply take over and you might have to wrestle it back from him. So I'm careful about which of them I let blog now. I haven't let Flynn and Sara blog yet! Best of luck with your book, Lissy! Keep me posted. cheers, Anne

Winners!

Hi Everyone Thanks for making my day at Love is an Exploding Cigar so much fun and so interesting with your comments. I drew winners -- or actually my dog Gunnar did (he likes to be involved) for my book prizes. The winners are: MADS and DEBBIE! So if you will contact me with your addresses at anne.mcallister(at)gmail.com I will send each of you copies of THE ANTONIDES MARRIAGE DEAL and THE SANTORINI BRIDE! Thanks again, everyone. And be sure to stop by for a visit at my blog -- it's at http://anne-mcallister.blogspot.com Cheers, Anne

Thank You

Anne, Thank You so much For picking my name. And Thank You for taking the time to blog with us. Mads

On the way!

Hi Mads Your books are going out today! Thanks for joining in the discussion. all the best, Anne

Thank You

Gunnar--Thank you for picking my name for your mistress, Ms. Anne. You are a wonderful pet whom she adores. :) Anne, thank you for psoting Gunnar's pick. and for chatting with us. Have a great day! Debbie

Address?

Debbie, Could you please send me a snail mail address c/o anne.mcallister(at)gmail.com thanks, Anne ps: Gunnar thinks you're wonderful, too!

Congratulations!

Debbie and Mads: Way to go!! ani

Got It.

I got the books on Monday. I finished The Antonides Marriage Deal last night. It was wonderful. Classic Romance. I give it 5 stars. Debbie