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What about the bad girls?
We've talked about the sexy factor of bad boys vs good boys here on the Cigars a few times I know. But what about bad girls vs good girls?
Is it easier to relate to a heroine who's leans toward the sweet side? Or is do you you like reading about the bad girl who grabs life, and her man, with both hands? And what's bad vs REALLY bad? For instance, in my May release, DOUBLE DARE, my heroine was, by any account, a bad girl. Audra was naughty, she was wild - or, if we want to be picky, she was reformed naughty *g*. But she her motivation was still one that most readers (I hope) could connect with, relate to.
So after reading and thinking about bad boy heroes and whether we'd want to chase after one or not - I started to wonder... what is it about a heroine that we, as readers, most identify with? Do they need to be like us in some way for us to really click with their story? Or can you get into a heroine who's your total opposite, or has an attitude or mindset that is totally foreign to you? Isn't part of the journey of reading a story falling into that story and being a "part" of it? Since we are all, I think, women here - don't we connect strongest with the heroine? Empathize with her conflict, her issues, and fall in love right along side her with the hunky hero?
Or is that just me?
When you read, do you empathize with the heroine? What if she's totally unlike you - say a really bad girl if you aren't, or a really sweet girl if you're a little naughty. Does it all come down to the skill of the author for you to make the connection, or is characteristics that you recognize and can connect with that pull you in?
And just for fun, to share my favorite bad girl, I'll randomly pick a name from all the resposnes (as long as you're a registered Cigar member, of course) to receive a copy of DOUBLE DARE, along with an excerpt of my upcoming release, DOES SHE DARE?

Bad Girls
Hi, Tawney. I love reading and writing about bad girls. lol The sassier, the better. I think today (the here and now), woman relate to sassy, whether the reader themselves are sassy or not. Maybe it's what they want to be and reading a sassy heroine puts them there without being acutally naughty. Reform is so much fun, or is it? lol
Anne-Marie Carroll
www.anne-mariecarroll.blogspot.com
www.anne-mariecarroll.com
Reform... or being a bad influence
Reform IS so much fun, isn't it Anne-Marie ;-)
Then again, I love it when the bad girl heroine gets the good boy hero all naughty with her LOLOL.
Sassy heroines are my favorite, too. I can't write, and can barely read, a heroine who doesn't have an element of sass or spunk in her.
Bad Girls??
I think I instinctively like a heroine I can relate to. Not necessarily a heroine that resembles me, but mostly a heroine that represents what I would like to be. Hey, I’m a good girl but in my fantasy I don’t mind being the naughty one. Now a day, we all like a heroine who knows what she wants and stays in control. And we love to see her getting confused when she fells for the smashing hero, and do exactly the opposite of what she preached so far.
Mona Risk
www.monarisk.com
Ooooh - Mentor heroines
I agree, Mona. I think one of the strongest draws for me in a heroine - the kind I remeber long after the book is finished - is that element of "I wish I was like that". Nora does that for me - as a teen reading her heroines, I always had this thought of "yes, I want to be that kind of woman when I grow up". There was always a strength, a sense of personal power and self-worth.
and watching the fall for the hero is always wild fun too :-)
Oh, I definitely need to
Oh, I definitely need to relate to the heroine in some way or the story just doesn't work for me, and I think we all have a secret little bad girl inside us somewhere. I like a heroine with some sass! *ggg*
Terri
Bring on the sass!
I agree, Terri :-) Heroines with sass rock!
I'm so happy to see how many secret little bad girls are posting here *g* From one not-so-secret bad girl, its a comfort LOL.
Sass...
I don't care if she is a good girl or a bad one... I want her to be interesting and have some finesse!
I love that description!
Finesse.
It just says so much.
I agree, Lily :-) A heroine with finesse is defintiely more intersting to read.
It's Good to be Bad
Boy is it hard to concentrate with all the seriously HOT covers on this page!!! I mean, can I just crawl into FLYBOY's space suit?? And uhh...that studly BEAST WITHIN is so inticing me into that saddle ;-) Giddy-up :)
What were talking about again??? Oh, bad girls, yes--I'm all for them! EVERY woman has a little bad girl tucked inside her somewhere, I mean, THAT'S where the story is at. We all know we're supposed to be good, but it's when ya step off that straight and narrow path that things really get interesting. I loved watching Audra *try* to be good ;-)
ROFL
Hey, Stacey... ya like the hot covers??
I love your description - its when we step off the path that things get interesting. Its even better when we're (characters, not me and you personally LOL) shoved off the path, right?
Bad Girls Rock!
Great post, Tawny.
I definitely need to empathise with the heroine. And heroines that are too sweet make my teeth ache *grin*. I like 'real' heroines - women who have faults and foibles and who do their best to survive in today's world. Does she have to be like me? No. Do I have to want to be like her? No. Do I want to be able to laugh with her, cry with her and cheer for her on her journey to love? Absolutely! (And if she has great shoes ... *grin*).
Anna - a good bad girl ... or should that be a bad good girl?!
Bad good girl Anna
Sweetie, you're the baddest good girl I know *g*
I like your description, Anna. It makes me think of a character as a friend, someone you want to hang with, watch their story unfold... but they don't have to be YOU. Just someone you want to see win :-)
btw - always great shoes.
OF COURSE
I do like to relate in some way too, but not completely, or that would put me to sleep. lol I think we all act "good", but have alittle wild side hidden away. I think that's why I like to read about it,so we can kind of live through them while we're reading. I have read some though that I thought the girl was just nuts. When they are way to forceful, it leaves nothing to mystery. I want to feel that the guy had to work for it alittle bit. I do tend to root for the shy girls, or the ones that are alittle insecure. When they finally get the guy, I'm really happy for them.
I agree with jibby. I want
I agree with jibby. I want to relate a little to her but not completely. That's part of why I read.
Me too, Stacy
Relateable is key, but something new and interesting is vital, too!
Nutty heroines
Really? Ack -thats not something to empathise with, now is it *g*.
I totally agree that the hero should have to work for his lady. Thats the age-old soul-deep romantic in me, but I want my heroes to prove (slay a dragon, climb a skyscraper, fly to the moon and gather me some stardust, beat up the bad guy) that they are worthy! A little work never hurt any hero ;-)
Personally I love reading strong hereoines who have that inner insecurity to battle - it shows me that it doesn't matter how empowered a person is, they still have to fight those self-doubts and issues... and gives me that feeling that I can beat them too.
Hmmmm...I think I relate too much to fictional characters LOL
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Sam
Yep
What Sam said!
I can relate to bad girls
I can relate to bad girls more easily.
Its too hard to be that good.
My favorite bad girl or reformed bad girl was actually a secondary charter in the book Born to be Wilde by Janelle Denison
From one bad girl to another
I hear ya, Beth :-)
Being good must be hard work (not exactly sure, personally, but I'd think its hard LOL)
Did Janelle ever create a story for your fave character? I love it when authors do that :-)
Heroines
I like reading all different kinds of heroines. If she has done some things she shouldn't have in the past I really don't think of her as bad because it just means she's human. No matter what she's done in the past I like a heroine who deals as best she can with her life.
owning mistakes
I think thats one of the key's to a bad girl heroine, Maureen :-) That all those naughty things in her past- if they are really bad - she's owned up to. Those are the heroines I like best... the ones who take responsibility for whatever they've done and show growth.
Hi Tawny, I love bad girls.
Hi Tawny,
I love bad girls. And I mean really bad ones. I wrote a very bad female vampire once, that I wanted everyone to hate. As it turned out she stole all the scenes, and everyone loved her more then the heroine. Of course like so many, my favorite bad girl is Scarlett O'Hara..She's smart, she's savy and not above doing what it takes to get what she wants. Although, she lost the man in the end, it would have been wonderful to see what might have transpired as she worked to win him back.
LOL Lee
Don't you love it when the secondaries take over the story (not)?!?! I did love Scarlett too - but its interesting that I loved her much more when I was a teenager and in my early twenties than I do now. Maybe because I was a much badder girl myself then, and could relate LOL. Like you, it'd be great to have seen what she'd have done to win Rhett back, since she was the epitome of determination.
I need a heroine I can
I need a heroine I can relate to. Sickeningly sweet is not my cup of tea. Give me bad boys and bad girls!
No sugar, huh?
I hear ya, Estella. The super sweet ones I always want to turn into villians *ggg*
I mean... really, they can't be THAT sweet, right? At least a core of evil would make them tolerable.
I think I like a good girl
I think I like a good girl who can be bad when she needs to be. I guess I see this as most well characterized by heroines like Buffy and Brenda Lee in The Closer. These are both really good women, trying to do the right things, they have strong moral codes, but they screw up, or get muddled, and have to learn in life.
Bad girls, for me most typically Faith in Buffy (what can I say? They have it all...), but also Edie on Desperate Housewives, Kate on LOST. I think to be a bad girl they really have to do bad things, or have confusion about what's good or bad. But they aren't bad to the core, they aren't evil, they are just a little more morally loose, I suppose. ;)
I would characterize most of what we see in Blaze or romance novels, the sassy heroines, as "naughty girls" -- whole different category, LOL. They are good women, have good intentions, good hearts, they wouldn't hurt someone for fun, but they can definitely get naughty, often on the way to finding out something about themselves, and growing -- a *must* for me in any character is that they grow in some way.
I know, I'm such a pain in the butt. :)
I suppose to an extent I like the same qualities in a heroine that I do in a hero: confidence, integrity, kindness, intelligence, humor -- but in human doses, not perfect people, you know? I tend to relate to earthy, normal women who are facing normal problems in life, I suppose.
Sam
Go ahead, be different
LOL - I hear what you're saying, though, Sam. I think this is a perfect example of what makes the Blaze line so fabulous - authors within it that have such different takes on characterization (to say nothing of preferences) and how well it all combines under the Blaze logo to provide hot, sexy stories that really appeal to the readers.
Okay -commercial over *g*
Bad Girls
While I like reading about heroines I can relate to, it is nice to read about heroines that are different from me as well. A good writer can make me care about and empathize with a heroine regardless of her similarities or differences from me.
I think all heroines regardless of their obvious differences all share some common traits...a desire for love, happiness, etc.
Those common traits
are definitely what bring us back to the stories, aren't they, Jennifer? Even if the characters aren't looking for love in the beginning of the story, they fall - and watching (and experiencing with them) that fall is such a fabulous journey.
My favorite heroines
I need to relate to (and empathize with) the heroine, whether she's good or bad. I don't like a heroine who is sickeningly sweet - but in some stories, a good girl works very well. Especially if she's strong and smart and a total equal to her bad-boy counter part *g*
There have been some bad girl heroines that have grated on my last nerve because I couldn't understand why anyone would want to be around them. But for the most part, I love a bad girl - even though I'm a very good girl myself :-)
Equals all the way
Maybe thats one of the reasons I love a bad girl so much, Beth. That equality the bad element brings to the table. Not that good girls can't be empowered - but the extra naughty edge is so fun to read.
and LOL on the bad girl heroines who grated on your nerves. I remember thinking about writing my bad girl heroine, Audra's friends' stories... my editor said no way -they were simply too bitchy. Apparetly there is bad and then their is irritatingly bad LOL.
Bad girls
I definitely like so much more bad girls than the wimpy ones. And do I empathize with the heroine... Well, I suppose it depends on what kind of a bad girl she is. But I certainly can't empathize with a complete wuss.
Yep...
Totally agree with you! I love it when I can empathize with the heroine wether she is a bad or good girl!
I think that if the
I think that if the chemistry between the characters is well written................... whether they are good or bad girls they can be quite entertaining. If I had to chose a favorite though I would say bad girl....I always wanted to be a bad girl but never could quite pull it off..it is just not in my nature.
Kendra
Viva La Chemistry
Kendra, you hit on my favorite aspect of romances... oooh lala chemistry! I love those sparks. I think thats my favorite thing to write, the sexual tension and rising awarness that builds until a fab-o fireworks style culmination :-)
Bad Girls
I really like reading about Bad Girls. I like them to have a good heart underneath it all, but being bad can be lots of fun, especially for us readers to live vicariously through. I think as long as the character has some aspects of her personality that we can relate to in our own lives, then I can feel as if I really "know" the character and feel a kinship with her. I think the character needs to be fun and deep down has a heart of gold, as long as she has a good heart underneath it all, she can get away with some bad things and we can still relate to her.
Definitely
Connecting is everything, isn't it? Its that sense of understanding the character that really brings them to life -and if you can understand them, its much easier to accept their naughtier side.
Mostly good, but...
like Sam said, maybe just a little naughty :)
As some other commenters said, I think I relate better to the "good" girls, but would love to be able to be a little more "bad," and characters that are either both or can successfully pull off the "bad, but has a good heart, or is overcoming terrible circumstances or something like that" are great to read about.
And as someone else mentioned, I do have a soft spot for heroines who are on the shy/reserved end who fall for someone who draws out their inner vixen ;)
Here vixen, vixen, come out and play...
*g*
Those are definitely fun reads, I think in part because, at least for me, I love the idea that there is a sexy inner vixen in each of us and even if a woman (ahem, character)isn't overly confident sexually, through her interactin and growth with the hero she's able to bring that sexual power to the forefront and really feel strong.
Ditto, Fedora!
I relate to the 'good' girls a bit more (as long as they aren't too sweet and sappy), but I've always wanted to be a little more 'bad' that I've managed to pull off. But, I can dream! :-D
Okay - no dental defying heroines
So the line seems to be that bad girls (if justified) are fun reads, but super sweet are just a no-no.
*g* I'm cool with that.
and hey, Cathy, reading romance is kinda like dreaming in words, right?
Yes!
LOL - I like that analogy!! Thanks, Tawny!
sweet
Cathy, you really are a good girl:)
Sshhh..
...don't say that too loud!! I'm trying to portray an image here. LOL! ;-)
ooops
Cathy, is a bad, bad, girl. Be very afraid;)
Much better, ROFL!
Much better, ROFL!
*snicker*
Gotta love the bad girls!!!
Good girl/bad girl
I think the best part of being a reader is that we are exposed to different types of characters than our own.
If I only read about women like myself, I'd be dead bored.
I'm a reformed naughty girl but I still enjoy reading about them. Equally, though, I can read about an innocent and cheer them on their explorations of self.
The only bad characters I can't read about are real life ones: Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer, for example. But Dracula (Vlad the Impaler) or Countess Elizabeth of Bathory (the Blood Countess) I have no problem reading about because it was so long ago that it seems removed.
I'd love to read a good biography about Mata Hari but have never come across one.
ani
Mata Hari
Now that would be one helluva book, huh?
I'd reat it too, Ani :-) and I agree, its hard to read the evil ones - there really is a difference in my mind. A bad girl/bad boy has an inner core of decency, they are just a little wild LOL. Julie Leto did a book (ack, I'm blanking on the title) about an assassin heroine, talk about a BAD girl. It was... simply fab.