No Longer a Virgin, But Still Not Satisfied

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Yes, it's true. I read my first romantic mystery last week.

It wasn't so good for me.

I wonder, how am I missing the magic? What is it about romantic mysteries that I don't get? This one was beloved by many.

So, like the slut I am, I read a second. It was even worse than the first. Maybe it was the ghosts. My three-word review: Scooby-doo without Shaggy. And honestly, what good is Scooby-doo without Shaggy?

This is what bugged me about the romantic-mystery genre--or at least the two books I tried: I sort of cared a little about the romance. I sort of cared a little (but boy, not much) about the mystery. But neither took center stage, and they both kinda got a little lost and I got bored and went back to my Elizabeth Hoyt novel.

So, Cigarites: help me! Who and what should I read? I really need a good romantic mystery experience soon, or I think I'm going to be ruined for life.

Just finished...

"Seeing Red" by Susan Crandall. Good balance of mystery/suspense with the romance. Sometimes the sexual tension made me want to yell "do it already", but that's the whole point of tension huh? It was my first romantic suspense that I've read of Susan's (I think it's her second overall) and I liked it. It's a genre that's hard to balance both the romance and the suspense, so hats off to those authors who can do it.

Is romantic suspense the same as mystery?

Ah, Susan Crandall. Thanks, Marcie, that's a great idea. But I think of her books as kind of scary and dark. Can I have my mystery without the murder/fear factor? Or is that what people like about mystery?

Missed this

I know, I am being a blog hog, but will go away shortly to write.

Suspense and mystery, in their pure forms, are different. But no, in short, you can't have mystery without murder. However, you can have mystery without gross detail of the killings or violent depictions -- that's why I like the Prime Crime books (sometimes known as cozies, though I think that label is misleading).

Suspense is more fully played out danger, more emotionally driven (and so more compatible with romance IMO), and usually will let the reader, and sometimes the protags, know who the bad guy is and what the danger is, but you have the race against time to see who will win in the end.

Mystery is who dun it. An intellectual process that the reader engages in along with the detective/sleuth who figures out a crime, most often a murder, according to clues.

If you know who is the killer at the start, I think it's not a mystery, it's a suspense. If you have to figure it out, are mislead, etc then it is a mystery. I do both. In the July book, you may not figure out the bad guy until the end. But it still has an urgency to it. The October book is straight suspense -- we know who the bad guy is, and have to beat him at his game.

There is a blurring of these genres to some extent - the mystery heroine/hero is often in a race against time and increasingly, unlike the old days of mystery, the whodunit has more emotional components -- it's no longer, for many people, just the intellectual thrill of solving the puzzle. They want more emotional connection, more danger, more romance. It gets all blurry, and this is particularly a pain for the mystery reader/writer.

Romance works better in suspense because you already have an emotional landscape to work with most of the time, people are afraid, things are urgent, and this often accelerates the passion. They are also typically single books.

Mystery is almost always series and they tend not to have classic HEA, at least according to my reading. They will have several or partial relationships which play out over time. I find Cleo Coyle to have done this pretty successfully, which is why I like her so much. The mysteries are good, and she's one of the only writers I've read who could work the romantic relationships as well as she does, in mystery.

Okay... so now I have to go do it, not just talk about it. :)

Sam

You know my take...

Since we already talked about this a bit, but hey, if you want to read my WIP, let me know, (heh, do I know how to trick someone into cp-ing or what?). Just kidding. Sort of. LOL ? (anyone see How I Met Your Mother last night? The only way that little joke makes any sense at all).

Anyway... I think single title mysteries and historicals are probably not what you want...if I can presume what you want. ;) Some will have touches of romance, but it's often a very small percentage of the book, so you have to be in it for the mystery, primarily, and then it's good to know what kind of mystery you want, as these things seem to have become very fractured (paranormal, amateur sleuth, detective, procedural, etc)

I highly recommend my Blaze coming out in July, as it has a good romantic mystery/suspense plot (as does the one in Oct, the one next May, and the Christmas 2010 one... I am just full of it today, aren't I???).

But seriously, I always recommend the Berkley Prime Crime books, particularly Charlaine Harris (though not Sookie as much as her other series) and Cleo Coyle. I don't think you can lose there. Also Annette Blair's Vintage Magic. (Check out the links to these sites on my website links page)

I love mystery where the relationships are well developed and the plot is strong -- and you find more of that these days, though in general the two genres, mystery and romance, are very different from each other in some very important ways, and combining them in the right proportions is a trick. I find I can write a romance that has a mystery plot fairly easily, but a mystery with romantic elements is much harder, so I respect when it's done well.

I'll let you know if I pull it off... unless you want to read my wips... hee.

Sam

Samantha Hunter....I think I've heard of her....

Ooh, Blaze/mysteries. I think this is why I'm so confused. I would never pick up a Blaze and expect a mystery. But I can't wait until July....

Isn't Charlaine Harris the vampire writer? I read some MaryJanice Davidson way back, and I'm afraid Charlaine Harris is too similar--and by that I mean, too fluffy to be satisfying.

Going to look up Cleo Coyle now....

And I'm always up for a WIP. Just so long as you know, I'm not at all nice when I critique. Ask Ellen.

No fluff

No, Charlaine isn't fluffy. She can be pretty dark, actually. She did do the vampire (Sookie) books, but I would recommend the Shakespeare mysteries (no paranormal component, small town mysteries, very compelling) and her new Grave series (Harper Connelly).

Blaze does just about everything which is one of the things I love about the line, and mystery/suspense has always been there. My very first romance there was a mini stalker mystery, but now I am doing more developed suspense/mystery with them.

Nice critiques? What use are they? ;)

Sam

Oh, and...

I'm pretty sure this is the best blog thread title we've ever had!

Sam

Heh heh

Can you tell I used to write ads? The titles I can do. It's the books that are so darn hard....

Try....

Madelyn Alt. She has the Bewitching Series with a touch paranormal and a romantic storyline but the emphasis is on the mystery.
I agree with Sam about the Prime Crime line. (good info Sam so how can you be a blog hog?)
Susan's book was kinda dark. I've read a couple of her contemps, but she's found her niche with romantic suspense. I used to read a lot of mysteries, but then switched to romance. Romantic suspense gives me a bit of both worlds.

Thanks for the recs...

Excellent. I'll try Alt, too. And the Prime Crime. I was avoiding it, because "crime" to me meant violence and blood, but if it's cozy, I'm there. (See, I'm getting the lingo! Thanks, everyone!)

No clue

Hee.

Diana writes great titles and I go for the most obvious, bonus points for a pun.

Seriously, though. I don't read mysteries and I almost never read suspense so I have nothing to add to this conversation. I do recommend Diana's supremely mean critiques, however. She's rotten, but talented. ;-)

Rotten and mean...

Yup. I warn everyone I critique with, but they never believe me.

Heh, heh. No clue. That just sucks....cut it!

I'm not sure...

I'm much help! (Awesome title, BTW!) I'm kind of a big chicken, so I've read some romantic suspense, but I get freaked out if it's too creepy, so there's only so much I can read. I did get sucked into Mariah Stewart's Last series, but that really felt more like mystery with a sprinkle of romance to me (take that with a grain of salt, knowing that I'm not exactly a connoisseur). I just read Toni Anderson's Her Sanctuary (TWRP e-book), and that felt like a nice balance to me. I've also heard good things about Shannon McKenna's McCloud books. And Leslie Kelly's got a new series coming out that's written as Leslie Parrish that's supposed to be darker stuff... Anyway, keep us posted, please! Would love to hear if you do find satisfaction :)

Will do...

I'm really hoping to get hooked. I'll let you all know how I do...

And I agree on the "creep" factor. I can't even read vamps, I'm such a chicken.

I love Leslie Kelly, but her new stuff does look awfully dark to me.

Yep...

I *want* to read Leslie's stuff, but I might have to wait until some other people read it and let me know whether I can handle it! I think one to avoid is Shannon Butcher, although I've heard she's excellent--I've also heard that her creep factor is too much for little ol' me...

Love the title!!

I have been reading alot of stephanie Bond lately, i like her body movers series, ive read 1 and 2 so far. They're pretty good murder mysteries, and three men thrown into the mix for the heroine to toil over. She still hasnt made up her mind. I'm rooting for the rough cop!

And i've heard good things about lisa jackson's latest. (can't think of title)

i like a good mystery, especially if theres a god romance throw in and not just a hint of it! That gets on my nerves, and i agree i hate the scooby doo without shaggy, whats the point.
cool post
jody

The ones I've liked are funny

In fact I don't think I've read a romantic mystery that wasn't funny. The obvious is Janet Evanovich's One for the Money series. I thought the first was beyond fab, but the others were more of the same and started to get on my nerves. I love Gemma Halliday's books, which I think she calls "chick lit mysteries" and Stephanie Bond's are also fun in the same funny-and-not-scary way. They are also all series, so no HEA in each book. But like you said, neither the mystery or the romance is that important in any of these--they're just components of a fun and entertaining reading experience.

You do realize that if you can't find what you want, it's your duty to write it....

Jen
http://www.jenlewis.com

Heh.

Spoken by a true writer, Jen! ;) I'll be waiting to read all of your new offerings :D

Speaking of funny, maybe Jill Shalvis, HelenKay Dimon, Alison Kent, Donna Kauffman or some of the other Brava authors who do romantic suspense, often with some funny?

Love romantic suspense

I'm kind of a wimp so I don't go in for the really scary stuff. Susan Crandall is probably about as dark as I get. I love Roxanne St. Claire's Bullet Catcher books - good mystery and romance plus hunky, alpha heroes. I just finished a terrific romantic suspense by Annie Solomon called ONE DEADLY SIN. Loved the romance. Loved the mystery. It's the first book I've read by her but definitely won't be the last!

Great blog title! LOL!

Echooing Jen Lewis' recommendations...

Chiklit is great for comedy, suspense/mystery, and romance. Mystery-Lite.

While I don't mind the darker mysteries, I am a nurse and the gore doesn't bother me so much unless it happened in real life, I love a great mystery romance. I've been a Trixie Belden fan for a long while.

You might like to try some of the YA books. They are lighter on the gore, I believe. I recommend Gemma H., she's very good, did some reviews of her books. MaryJanice Davidson, writes about Betsy the Vampire series. First book is called Undead and Unemployed. These books are HILLARIOUS and there's not much gore and there is romance as well. The first Sookie Stackhouse book by Charlaine Harris is not gory, in my opinion, it has a lot of humor.

I can't not recommend Nora Roberts. Her stand alones have romance and mystery without gore. The In Deaths, Nora Roberts writing as J.D. Robb have excellent romance, but are more graphic and gorey.

Hmmm

Now, see I would disagree about Nora. I think several of her books, while I like most of hers, are too graphic for me. She had a few with animal killings and so forth, and I just couldn't do it. The In Deaths can be gruesome as well, though it never bothered me much, but she has a few larger romantic suspense/mystery books that were WAY too gross/disturbing for me. I want to say one was Montana Sky? Though there are a few others, but it's been a while, and I can't remember one from the other after a bit. ;) I do remember the ones I love.

Sam

Majority of....

Sam, you're right there are a few that were very graphic and not for all people. Divine Evil was very graphic and even I wouldn't reread that or I'd skip the really disturbing parts. But I would say a majority of the stand alones aren't that graphic, imho. I guess I don't really recall Montana Sky. Was it because of the animal stuff? I guess I just believe it's a part of the story and try not to think that it could really happen.

Maybe I'm jaded due to the medical profession. I know some of my non nurse/non medical friends think some of my regular conversation is a bit 'off putting', but to my nursing friends it's 'normal.'