Justification

Dee Tenorio's picture

I spend a lot of time watching people. Observing, if you will. How they move and talk and act when they're sure no one is watching. It's pretty interesting and I've come to some interesting conclusions.

But like always, it's not a finished conclusion until I've talked to my husband about it.

Then I get all new conclusions.

So, we were driving to my mother's, more than an hour away, and the drive takes us across The Ortega---Hwy 74, for those non-Cali folk---a windy mountain pass that is dangerous on a good day. Deadly on a bad. Which is why it continuously boggles my mind how fast and how loose people drive it. It does more than boggle the husband, who is actually driving. It drives him up the bloody wall.

I really wanted to understand why reasonable folks would cut other people off on hairpin turns with sheer 100 foot drop offs on one side of the road. It really seemed reckless. Or just stupid.

It took me a long time to realize it was neither.

If you ask a roomful of drivers if they are good drivers, everyone in there will tell you yes, they are. But in every 100 people, there's tons of accidents and violations on their records. Everyone has screwed up in some way, but at heart, they just KNOW they are good drivers.

It's the same with motivation in writing and in real life. People BELIEVE they are good people. They might mess up from time to time, they might really hurt others some times, but for the most part, everyone thinks they're a good person.

No one is inherently evil. They don't sit and plot ways to make someone else have a horrible day. They generally are thinking about themselves and the consequences of their actions hurt others. Like a driver changing lanes to get to their exit. A good driver uses his blinker to get out of their lane. A bad driver swings out as he sees a space and veers into the lanes of innocent people, causing vast destruction to himself and many others. The same principle applies to actions in other people's decisions.

I was rather pleased with myself when I shared this realization with hubby and he thought about it for a few minutes---while driving ironically---and then he said something that changed my whole perspective.

"It's not about if a person is good or evil. That's got nothing to do with how someone sees themselves. What makes a good person do awful things is justification. If for some reason they feel justified in saying horrible things or making dangerous actions, they can go to bed at night feeling good about themselves."

I'm telling you, if I haven't told you before, my husband is brilliant.

This explains the Authors-Behaving-Badly-Syndrome. The screaming driver syndrome. It doesn't excuse it, of course, but justification is a scary thing. Like people who commit horrible acts in the name of God or a cause that makes no earthly sense. People who believe they're entitled are dangerous folks.

So when that moron cuts you off on the freeway disappears on the exit, he's not laughing at how he nearly killed you or took a strip of paint off your fender. He's probably desperate to get somewhere or desperate to get away. And when your villain is starting to look cartoony and fake, maybe it's all about showing his perspective a little more. Why does he feel justified in his actions? Or even when your hero is hurtful or your heroine is defensive, as long as the reader understands why they feel they have the right to be wrong, we can let a few more things go.

Well, we can try. I'm still going to yell expletives at the idiots on The Ortega. But I probably won't be mad as long as I usually am.

"Rationalization may be

"Rationalization may be defined as self-deception by reasoning." — Karen Horney (and no, that's not my alias, LOL!)

I also love the line from The Big Chill, where Jeff Goldblum's character says that rationalization is better than sex, and Tom Berenger's character says that nothing is better than sex. Goldblum responds (paraphrasing here) "Oh yeah? Ever tried to go a week without a rationalization?"

It's so true...it's all about perspective.

So true! I often think of

So true! I often think of the people who start their sentences with "no offence, but..." and then proceed to offend. Or the people who tell you nasty, hurtful things "for your own good." Or even those who are so convinced they're right that they feel it necessary to force you into thinking/believing the way they do!

It's always different when it's you, ya know? Oh, hey, I know the line says 10 items or fewer, but I only have 11 and I'm already late...never mind that I'm late because I spent too much time checking my email or that the person behind me only has 3 items and has to get home to a sick wife. I DESERVE to go in the short line! Right?

:)

It can be easy to justify stuff, it really can. (Though that doesn't make it right.)

M

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Aren't those the people who

Aren't those the people who claim to 'tell it like it is' who 'pull no punches'? I call them rude. If a friend tells you something in private, it means something. If a friend's spouse says something at a dinner party, it is a bit different.

You know, sometimes even in

You know, sometimes even in private, some things simply don't need to be said just because you think them!

M

Heh, Megan

I've been saying this about book reviewers all along... *G*

Sam

PS: And everyone look to the news bar! Congrats, M, on all your recent good news!!!

thanks!

thanks!

Mustache twirling

I remember an drama teacher telling the class not to play evil for evil's sake. All characters believe they are doing the right thing. Why they think it is the right thing is what drives them to make their decisions. Snidley Whiplash is a cartoon and has cartoonish motivations.

One of the reasons Larry Hagman thinks his JR character on Dallas was so popular was because he played JR as if he was the white knight. Everything he did was for the good of the family/company...

I read once...

I think in Self-Editing For Fiction Writers, that the villain is the hero of his own story. Everyone is the hero of his own story. That always stuck with me, even if I don't always remember what it means, lol.

Hrmmmm....

Cool post, Dee. You have me thinking about justification vs motivation -- is it the same thing?

Sam

That's a good question! I

That's a good question! I think they're different. I think you can justify your motivation, and maybe you can motivate your justification, but they're not the same thing.

M

Exactly!

Justification means you can do anything you want because it's your due. But motivations are the reasons you must do something, even if you know it's wrong.

One is about doing what has to be done.

The other is about letting yourself off the hook.

It's all definitely about one vs the other. But I'm glad y'all think it's a cool thought process. Otherwise I'd be feeling good about realizing the obvious, lol!!

Dee

PS--BIG Congrats Megan!

Well,

You know, I'm not sure about that -- I think you are talking about rationalizing, which is different than justifying... or can be.

There are justifiable actions, right?

An evil guy will try to justify wiping out a race because he was done wrong, and that's obviously deluded, but it's about determining whether something is justifiable or not...

For instance, you kill someone who was going to kill you -- the law says that's self-defense and it was justifiable. Yet, you may suffer terrible guilt, unable to justify your actions emotionally, even if you know outwardly that you did what you had to do... Another person may not suffer any guilt, maybe regretful but ultimately know they had to kill the other person before they were killed (or someone they loved was killed). They have not rationalized their actions, but they see what they did as justified.

So, to justify something means to determine whether or not it is "just" -- rationalizing is a different beast, which is more of what you say when you are saying "let off the hook."

I think maybe motivation comes before an act, and justification after? So, someone is motivated to fight back if they are attacked, but whether it is justified is determined later?

A cop may be motivated to shoot his gun if someone puts their hand in their pocket to reach for something -- but if they were reaching for ID, was shooting to kill justified, or could they have just winged them?

Or maybe motivation is from the inside -- why we do what we do, and justification is from the outside -- what law, or others, would say about our actions...

Ah, philosophy...killer of time... LOL Back to work...

Sam

I just love a good debate

Motivation--Why you do something, right or wrong.

Justification--Knowing you have a valid reason for doing what you do--it has to be a reason you honestly believe in.

Rationalization--Twisting things around so that in your mind you are justified in doing what you did.

This is my take on things. I know when I start rationalizing, I'm probably doing something I shouldn't be doing.

I need a shirt...

that says, "What Jeannie said."

LOL!

The differences between justification and rationalization is all Point of View. A person who is rationalizing THINKS they're justifying.

See how that wheel tightens?? LOL!

Like right now, I'm totally justified in having a cookie. I woke up hungry last night but two little someones woke up and needed nursing. So, I'm starving now. They owe me a cookie.

Right? Riiiiiiiiiight. :)
Dee

I like what Jeannie said too...

And in so few words... LOL

I do agree that a person rationalizing thinks they have due justification... when they don't (put down the cookie, Dee...) ;)

But I don't think the difference is just POV -- I think the words can't always be used interchangeably, for instance (maybe I'm wrong, but seems to me rationalizing always connects to fluffy or deceptive reasoning, where justify doesn't necessarily) -- if I say "Howard tried to justify his actions" it sounds very different to me than "Howard tried to rationalize his actions".

Anyway, before I get off course, I think the interesting thing was the difference between motivation and justification, because in our characters' heads, and maybe in people's, they can get mushed up in some way -- people mistake motivation for justification to do something convenient?

So, I think Jeannie hit the target when she mentioned emotions -- motivations are largely emotional -- and you can either justify or rationalize your actions based on those emotions depending on how clearly you are thinking about them.

I think it's interesting that your husband said people "feel justified" -- I think that "feel" is probably really important here... We can "feel" something is right, but "know" it's not... which is the base of just about every romance novel in existence! LOL

Sam

So right

We can "feel" something is right, but "know" it's not... which is the base of just about every romance novel in existence!

Right on the money, Sam!

Okay, Sam wins...

She's definitely right.

But I'm not putting down the cookie. 8P''''

LOL

Do you have two cookies?

No winning/losing, just discussing... It's a good topic, and as I am very much into thinking about motivation with characters, a worthy one to dig into... what do we mean when we say these things? You know?

I get picky about how terms are used, though -- can you tell???? LOL

M

wait...

what I really meant was

"I won. I won!" (Dee said...)

S

Now you people have me

Now you people have me completely befuzzled and confused.

but...

Is befuzzled really the same as confused???

(running before Dee can catch me and beat me with cookies.... LOL)

S

ROFL!

Why yes, yes it can. Hubby and I have an ongoing discussion over why I want him to stop brushing me off with the word, "Semantics". I tell him I need specifics because either mean what you say or don't talk to me. Me thinks I'd get along real well in a live discussion with Sam.

And that both our hubbies would be drinking by night's end, lol.

I guess the bottom line is that we really do, as writers, have to know where the character is coming from, why they do things and why they THINK they do things. And why they don't feel it's wrong to do them.

So that others, as readers, don't circular file our books.

And, conveniently, it might make us more understanding to people in real life, who might take a moment to treat us like crap. I try to ask myself what kind of horrible day THAT person must be having to be so inconsiderate.

The hope is that it keeps me out of jail. LOL!
Dee

Oh dear....

No need to get me all confused! And then unconfused (thanks, Jeannie), and then I got myself lost again...

I'd better go pick up my kids... ;)