Welcome Guest Blogger Chris Roerden!
Welcome to my first guest blog for Love is an exploding cigar. At first I thought I'd rant about one of the realities of publishing, but then I decided to share something with you I hope you'll find more practical in your own writing and more insightful for your reading. Be my guest....
With publishing’s continuing emphasis on novels that are more character driven than plot driven, selecting an effective point of view (POV) is one of the writer's most important decisions. Each offers a different advantage—and comes with its own disadvantages. The following may help you evaluate your choices and avoid the POV problems that sabotage most submissions.
FIRST-PERSON
Let’s suppose your story is told from your protagonist’s first-person POV. You write: I parked at the branch office and did a quick check in my rearview mirror: short red hair, green eyes, freckles—
Oops! The reflection-in-the-mirror self-description is a cliché typical of the average writer. More imaginative alternatives follow. Meanwhile, back at the branch. . . .
Before I could knock on the manager’s door it flew open, and I found myself face-to-face with a man who glared at me, wanting me to get lost.
Whoa! A first-person narrator cannot know what others want — or think or feel. She knows only what she wants, thinks, and feels with her own five senses. It's up to the writer to capture the objective data that leads readers to their own subjective interpretation.
Here’s a revision incorporating three of those five senses, which lead to an informed conclusion: He glared at me (sight), poked me sharply on the shoulder (touch), and growled (sound), “Get out of my way.”
Okay, let’s try this once more. The front of his tee-shirt read “Builders do it with . . .” and the back bore the words—
No, no! When two people come face to face for the first time, Ms. First Person cannot see what’s on the other person’s back. Or what’s behind her unless she’s gifted with a mother’s third eye, the one in the back of your mom's head.
One manuscript I edited permitted the main character to describe two women he never met having lunch in the booth behind him. Review your writing for slips like these, which pull observant readers right out of a story. One clumsy slip, slide, or shift in POV can be enough to cause a busy screener to slide a submission onto the “no” pile.
LOOK MA, NO MIRROR
If you want to include a description of your first-person narrator, you need a more original device than the amateur, clichéd reflection in a mirror or store window. In this scene from Death and Taxes, Susan Dunlap has a fresh take on a familiar source of I.D.—the driver’s license that officer Jill Smith produces for a cautious homeowner:
As she looked from my license to me, her finger moved across it from Brn (hair) to Grn (eyes) to 5-7. (I had the feeling she knew I’d stretched the truth there, but maybe that’s just the paranoia of the shortest officer in Detective Detail....)
Observe how self-deprecation works for the following self-descriptions. After all, who could pull off a flattering self-portrait without sounding insufferably conceited? Here’s a fresh take by Denise Dietz from Footprints in the Butter. In this first title of Dietz’s second mystery series, she subjects Ingrid Beaumont to a fumble at a football game.
The Broncos blitzed. The Cowboys fumbled. The Broncs recovered. I roared my approval, then performed a high-five with the fat man sitting next to me. He fumbled for my breast, I don’t know why. I’m not a ravishing beauty, quite the opposite, yet men always try to ravish me. I’ve been told I look like Bette Midler. When people tell me this, they usually stare at my bust, then, embarrassed, raise their eyes to my slightly crooked front teeth, which are frequently clenched.
Peggy Ehrhart’s first novel, Sweet Man Is Gone, features Maxx Maxwell (first name Elizabeth but she doesn’t like it). In this scene, Maxx, the leader of a blues band, has just entered a rehearsal studio:
A bunch of guys with assorted tattoos and facial piercings are perched on the folding chairs strung out along the back wall. One of them whistles at me. In my mind I’m still a skinny chick nobody’d look twice at, but I got my nose fixed before I went off to college—not that I stayed there long—and I went blond when I hooked up with my first band. And it’s amazing how a push-up bra can help you fill out a T-shirt.
Enjoy the variety of situations that authors create to facilitate their characters’ self-descriptions. For example, in Kathleen Anne Barrett’s Milwaukee Winters Can Be Murder, in the trilogy Homicide for the Holidays, Beth Hartley’s looking for a murderer causes this argument between friends:
I rolled my eyes and looked away.
“What are you going to do,” Emily said, “wrestle the guy to the ground when you catch him? You don’t even weigh enough to donate blood, for Pete’s sake. I mean, you’re even smaller than my nine-year-old niece. . . . my dog sat on you once and you couldn’t even get up, do you remember that?”
How unique is the situation that sets up your character's self-description so it seems to occur naturally?
MORE FIRST-PERSON PITFALLS
First-person POV may seem the easiest, most natural way to tell a story, but it’s not as simple as it looks. Inviting us into your character’s consciousness means playing fair with your readers, not withholding information the protagonist knows or learns in the course of the story.
However, nothing prevents you from underplaying a clue, disguising its significance, or intentionally diverting attention, as with a red herring.
Another first-person requirement is that the protagonist-as-narrator must be present in every scene. If your plot makes this impossible, you don’t want to discover that major problem three-quarters of the way through your first draft. I’ve seen too many first-person submissions that attempt to later accommodate point-of-view problems by awkwardly manipulating the plot or by having the main character hear or read about key events second-hand, after they occur off-stage. Key events need to be dramatized.
Second-hand action is weak and cancels the value of a you-are-there POV. As for plot maneuvers, anything awkward is amateur. So are observations such as A shadow crossed my face and The lines in my forehead deepened. Not possible for the narrator to see, even with your mother’s third eye.
In addition, first-person writing tends to ramble, to rely on internal thoughts when dialogue could occur, to rehash the same thoughts, and to slip from the protagonist’s voice into that of the author. (More on writing thought in a later chapter.) In first-person POV more than any other, your main character should be so interesting, quirky, and insightful that readers will want to see the world through her eyes for an entire novel.
If your fiction reveals any first-person weaknesses, fix them or use a more versatile, flexible point of view, such as third-person.
The above is adapted from Don't Sabotage Your Submission, the second edition, for writers in all genres, of my Agatha Award-winning Don't Murder Your Mystery. The rest of my POV chapter analyzes the pros and cons of all the points of view popular today.
If you have any questions or comments, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer them here. Thank you for tuning in!




















Welcome Chris!
Chris, so good to have you at Cigars -- you have a lot of great info here, and I think readers and writers alike will relate... I know as a reader, you're right -- the pickiest little logistical detail will yank me out of a story, and as a writer, I sweat them.
It's no news to anyone here that I've been working on a mystery (my agent likes it, and it's in the second revison before submitting, so here's hoping) and I struggled with many of the same things, like getting the protag's physical description in smoothly, even though I'm using third person, for various reasons. One, I prefer it, but also, I wanted to have other character's POVs and I personally dislike the recent convention of switching between first/protag and third/secondaries. That just doesn't work for me. But even in third, the bulk of the book is from my heroine's POV, and so I had to find a way to describe her -- what ended up working, and being kind of interesting, was how she sees herself in comparison to a "willowy" friend, but then how others see her, that's different than how she sees herself... which I enjoyed.
Anyway, this is great... so many little things that can trip up a story... I read a book a while ago that I LOVED, but what really sticks in my mind, among all else, is one bad moment where the heroine spots the hero's eyelashes from a distance -- NOT. It really did distract me and while I enjoyed the book, obviously those gaffes do stick in a reader's mind...
Looking forward to the discussion today...
Sam
Sam, First, congratulations
Sam,
First, congratulations on completing your first mystery and reaching the stage at which your agent likes it.
I agree with you about not liking switches between 1st and 3rd person. The reason, I feel, is that most writers who try it do it poorly. I do not recommend experimenting with such an important technique as POV for a first ms. Yet one notable exception is Joe Konrath, whose first mystery Whiskey Sour (they're all named for alcoholic drinks, alternates between the "I" of Lt. Jack Daniels (she's really Jacqueline) and the "he" of the killer. Konrath's success is largely due to his near-perfect consistency with this pattern from the outset so readers get used to it and anticipate hearing more about the killer. No other points of view are used. I cite the pros and cons of this and other POV techniques in my chapter "Shifty Eyes." Konrath also changes verb tense. Jack is the traditional past, and the killer's third person is in the present---also not a recommended tense--but present tense third does make the killer's actions seem more immediate and therefore more threatening.
My bottom line with respect to point of view is this: For every choice you make, let your reason be that no other could be as effective.
Sam, how you resolved your own choices sounds intriguing and I can't wait to read the result!
Chris
Hi Chris
Chris--Fantastic information. I'll be looki8ng for your book when I go to the bookstore this weekend. I can't wait to read more. I'm fascinated by mysteries (can't wait to read Sam's), but after trying one, I realize just what a challenge mystery writing is. I have another one playing in my head, though, so will probably be pursuing it.
Thanks, Jeannie
Thank you so much Jeannie.
Thank you so much Jeannie.
The challenge is why--of all the genres--I found editing mystery so interesting. I loved seeing how authors managed to do such a great job of structuring the plot and working in all the clues!
Best,
Chris
What a pleasant surprise!
Welcome Chris, I just ordered your book Don't Murder your Mystery two days ago and am eagerly awaiting it's arrival!
I am as of yet, unpublished, so these tips you have provided on slipping in a description are just wonderful. It really shows how to think out of the box. I like them as a reader and a writer.
I am editing and editing a MS of mine and feel like it is moving toward more of a suspense, thus why I have begun to research this area more.
I have read different definitions of such, but I am curious as to how you define the difference between suspense/mystery/thriller.
Thank you!
Maureen
Maureen
I'm always interested in this too -- I have my own understanding of the differences, but want to hear what Chris has to say -- I will say, as a reader, I get annoyed finding what I consider suspense in the mystery section at the book store, or something like Jim Butcher's Dresden Files, which I consider mystery, in the Fantasy section, but I think shelving is a completely different beast...
Sam
Sam raises a good point
Sam raises a good point about shelving thrillers with mystery. Shelving is usually left to the local retailers. However, part of the problem is likely to be resolved--but not as we’d like it to be.
Mystery themselves will endure but the market is shifting once again.
NY has decided that the label “mystery” is to be downplayed in favor of growing interest in thrillers. Submissions called “mystery” will be getting somewhat less attention from agents and acquiring editors and this will lead to the absorption of mystery titles into the “fiction” section of many--but certainly not all--bookstores. Not a pretty circumstance to be sure. But the label “cozy” is supposed to be the kiss of death for a manuscript. That is because popular tastes are changing. They always change but today the change is faster. The more thriller-like you can make your traditional mystery, the better. THAT trend has been on the horizon for some time. This doesn’t mean your villan has to pose a global threat--but that the execution of your material has to raise and maintain the thrills and chills of good suspense. I hate to say this but you might want to analyze the structure of the material that appeals to the action-loving male as seen in today’s movie attendance and identify what appeals to the online game crowd. Also analyze what makes reality shows successful. Not my cuppa tea but it sells books. Do place your protagonist and some other characters in mortal danger. Don’t abandon your mystery ms.--just realize how today’s biases may play into today’s acquisitions.
I’ll be back with more a little later.
Best
Chris
Very interesting!
This is really interesting, Chris -- good information (very much what my agent has been pushing me to do as well). I didn't know that about cozies -- I had the idea they were very popular, but I'm not writing one, so it works out. ;)
I think for me, when I look for books, a mystery is a really specific thing -- you have a murder, you have a killer, you have someone who has to figure it out. That has to be there, and there's always the question to answer. Lots of other things can be going on, but those elements have to be there.
I see suspense as more open -- it can be about terrorism, bank robberies, kidnappings, etc and you might even know who the bad guys are, and it becomes the race against time or whatnot... stop the killer from getting the next victim, stop the world from exploding etc.
My mystery protag is an amateur sleuth as well -- as much as I love professional detective novels like the Sue Grafton stuff, I am not so much into the forensics or police procedure that you have to be with a professional detective...
Sam
I'm with Sam--I want to know
I'm with Sam--I want to know the difference between suspense/mystery/thriller, too.
Hi Maureen, Thank you for
Hi Maureen,
Thank you for your good words. The question you raise about the difference between mystery and thriller can be answered by my saying that thrillers need to deal with issues of major import, such as a global catastrophe if the evil plot is not thwarted. The protagonist is usually an ordinary citizen, not a professional crime fighter. His/her life and the lives of others are at stake.
Best,
Chris
Welcome, Chris! Great post.
Welcome, Chris! Great post. I love to write in first person POV and your tips were spot-on. It can be hard to get it all working just right, and some readers hate it, but if you do it right, first can be a great way to get inside a character's head.
M
Hi author m, I’m pleased
Hi author m,
I’m pleased that you found tips helpful and you’re absolutely right--when 1st person is done well, it’s excellent.
Thanks for your comments.
Best,
Chris
I'm not a writer
But I found this really interesting! Thanks so much for sharing your insight and knowledge!
ani
Wow!
I have to second Ani on this one. I'm not a writer, but this was a really great insight. Thanks for sharing!! Fascinating!
Thanks Cathy, The more
Thanks Cathy,
The more I’ve edited fiction the more fascinated I too become at seeing how effectively so many writers manage such refreshing and imaginative ways of creating characters and scenes.
Best,
Chris
Me, neither...
But I agree wholeheartedly with Ani--SO very interesting! Thanks for posting today!
Hi, A tip of my hat to
Hi,
A tip of my hat to fedora.
If any of my enthusiasm is contagious, that’s great.
Best,
Chris
Hi Ani, I’m glad you found
Hi Ani,
I’m glad you found it interesting. Thanks for your comments.
Best,
Chris
Thank you Chris
For the clarification.
But are you saying a mystery must include have a 'crime fighter' as the hero/heroine? Just curious.
I would love to be able to write a good suspense/thriller, but it seems like it would require a lot of research to be good at that type of writing, more so than other types of writing unless you are researching a historical period.
Do you find that to be true?
Thank you
Maureen
Hi again Maureen, Although I
Hi again Maureen,
Although I say that the thriller’s protagonist is usually an ordinary citizen, the mystery can have as its protagonist either an ordinary citizen or professional crime fighter such as a cop or private eye. However, there are many exceptions--especially in mystery--and the exceptions are continuing to expand. Also, plenty of thrillers involve the work of federal and international agents but even so thrillers tend to have an ordinary citizen stumbling across--or getting entangled in--a nefarious plot and becoming an unwitting almost-victim. Fortunately, there are no rules.
Everything I have talked about represents the most popular uses of these genres. Publishing’s door is always open for new approaches.
I appreciate your comments.
Best,
Chris
Welcome, Chris!!
Thank you so much for such an informative and laugh-out-loud post!! When I first began writing, I definitely had a problem with POV, and though I think I've mostly mastered it, I'm going to pick up a copy of Don't Sabotage Your Submission. I know for myself, there's always room for improvement, and I think it would make a great gift for some of my writer friends! Thanks for joining us here today!
Hi Karen, Great to hear
Hi Karen,
Great to hear from you.
Let me assure you that all writers have problems with POV when they first start writing. Putting a novel together is an enormous undertaking. There are so many elements to pull together.
Thanks so much for your interest in “Don’t Sabotage Your Submission.” I think you’ll find that reading about the pros and cons of the other points of view will make your use of 1st person even stronger.
Best,
Chris
I love POV tips
People really forget what you can and can't do. Got a kick out of the examples of self-description too. The gritting teeth one esp!
Going to look for things that might drive Sam crazy in my own books now, lol!
Dee
Hello Dee, Thanks for
Hello Dee,
Thanks for laughing along with me.
You might also get a kick out of my 20th clue to watch out for, “Killed by Cliché.”
Best,
Chris